Why You Should Avoid Buying in HOA Neighborhoods


A couple of weeks ago I ran a post, Do You Ever REALLY Own Your Home, in which I challenged the assumption that you actually enjoy true ownership, in the traditional sense. I cited limited property use restrictions, heavy economic use restrictions, the potential for legal attachment, and increasingly burdensome property taxes as factors eroding true homeownership. Today I want to focus a factor that puts even more extreme limits on home ownership – homeowners associations, or HOAs. And more specifically, why you should avoid buying in HOA neighborhoods.

In the interest of full disclosure, I’ve lived in both HOA neighborhoods and non-HOA neighborhoods – as well as condos – so I have some perspective on what’s really going on – and why HOAs aren’t as benign as most people think.

What is an HOA Neighborhood?

Why You Should Avoid Buying in HOA Neighborhoods
Why You Should Avoid Buying in HOA Neighborhoods

An HOA neighborhood is something like a community within a community. You live in a city or town – a municipality – but if you also live in an HOA neighborhood, you also live in another distinct legal entity. And just as the municipality has rules, so does the HOA.

There are various types of HOA neighborhoods, and each vary in terms of the amenities they provide and their control over your status as a homeowner.

Voluntary HOAs – These are something more like traditional neighborhood associations in that they’re informal, have no legal standing and are generally organized to deal with a specific issue confronting the neighborhood. That issue could be something like organizing to block certain outside developments or circumstances that are considered harmful to the neighborhood, or just to get some seasonal parties going. They typically have small dues, but you aren’t required to pay them or even to join the HOA.

Mandatory HOAs – If you buy a house in a mandatory HOA neighborhood, you are required to join the HOA by virtue of the fact that you will be a homeowner in that neighborhood. There is no provision for you to opt out – once you close on the sale, you’re in. There are generally substantial neighborhood amenities, commonly a pool, tennis courts, a club house, playgrounds and a formal entryway into the neighborhood. You will be required to pay an HOA fee, on an annual, semi-annual, quarterly, or monthly basis. There are covenants and restrictions, that you will be required to sign at closing, that will include bylaws that mostly tell you what you can’t do with your property.

Condominium HOAs – This kind of HOA is much like the mandatory HOA, except that it provides more substantial amenities. When you buy a condo, you own only the interior of the home. The exterior, from the walls and ceiling outward, are common property. That means they’re owned by the HOA. As a result, condo HOAs can be even more restrictive than those that cover detached homes. However, condo HOAs also bear greater responsibility. Since the physical structures are owned by the HOA, it is the HOA that must pay to make exterior repairs and improvements, including replacing the roof, pavement, landscaping, windows and siding as needed. They also pay the hazard (exterior) home insurance on the property, and often certain utilities, such as trash removal. Fees are usually monthly and a lot higher than with detached housing. But the HOA will also provide certain services, such as landscaping and snow removal. It’s the perfect arrangement for people who don’t want to concern themselves with exterior maintenance of any kind.

Non-mandatory HOAs really can’t hurt you in any way, and condominiums are a different animal entirely in which you share ownership of the home with the HOA, who provides very specific and substantial services. As well, with condos most people recognize that property use is both restricted and totally necessary due to the communal nature of the arrangement.

What I’m going to focus on from here on are mandatory HOAs in non-condominium neighborhoods. They won’t replace your roof or maintain your yard, but they have a labyrinth of rules and restrictions that can seriously challenge the assumption that you actually own your home and are free to do with it as you please.

Even worse, mandatory HOAs can negatively affect your economic situation. We’ll get to that in some detail in a bit.

What Makes HOA Neighborhoods Such a Threat?

I’m convinced that most people who buy into mandatory HOA neighborhoods have no idea what they’re stepping into – until they run afoul of the association board.

If you don’t already get it, the primary purpose of HOAs is to maintain and improve property values in the neighborhood. Before you go thinking that’s a good thing, imagine that your house is controlled by a stock broker, who’s only objective is to increase the value of your property.

While that may be a good thing on the day you sell the house, how it plays out between now and then will be another matter entirely. The problem is that how we live our lives is usually not consistent with what is necessary to maintain and increase property values.

In order to carry out the business of increasing property values, the HOA enacts and enforces a series of rules designed to ensure that neighborhood standards of conformity are met. You’ve probably noticed that HOA neighborhoods tend to have dozens or hundreds of substantially identical homes. This is by design. Conformity is easier to enforce in similar homes. Customization of any kind becomes easier to spot.

The HOA will limit what color you can paint your house, how many people can live in it, how many – and what type of – vehicles you can park in the driveway, how often you need to paint the exterior, where you place your garbage dumpsters, and the condition of your landscaping. They can also prevent you from adding on to the house, or maintaining out-buildings, like tool sheds or a tree house for your kids. And that’s just the general stuff.

Once you’ve been prohibited from doing something with your property, or made to do something you don’t want to, you begin to get a clearer picture of what’s really going on.

To add insult to injury, should you be found to be in violation the HOA has the legal right to impose legally enforceable fines on you, that are automatically attached to your property.

Some Real Life Examples of What an HOA Can Do

In case you think that I’m exaggerating about this in any way, here are some real-life HOA horror stories:

HOA Horror Story #1. My wife and I discovered that our friends on the board of our HOA were not our friends at all when we had the exterior of our house repainted. We had the house painted gray with pink shutters, like you might find on a New England cottage. We got a lot of compliments from our neighbors. Then the notice came from our HOA. The gray was fine, but our pink shutters were too…pink. We had to drab them down, or face a battery of consequences, including accelerating fines, that the notice apprised us were the associations legal right to pursue. All color schemes that departed from the original that came with your house required pre-approval by the board. So much for freedom of choice.

HOA Horror Story #2. One of my best friends (who moved into the same neighborhood after we moved out) got a notice from the HOA telling him he needed to put curtains on the second floor windows of his house. The reason: “neighbors” (an HOA’s favorite subterfuge) complained that they could see the furniture in his bedroom windows. I still can’t make sense out of that one, but it was similar to the notice that we received for the offensive paint job on our shutters.

HOA Horror Story #3. A mortgage client of mine received notice from his HOA that he and his wife needed to store their three-year-old daughter’s toys out of sight, rather than letting them sit in the backyard. I’m not sure exactly what the crime was here, but they were forced to comply.

HOA Horror Story #4. A distraught friend of mine called me one day telling me that she had just received notice from her HOA informing her of a recently passed rule requiring all vehicles to be garaged between the hours of midnight and six a.m. No overnight parking of vehicles either in driveways or on streets would be permitted. Since all houses in the neighborhood had no more than a two car garage, this was a fundamental issue for anyone with kids who also have cars. I’m not sure what they were going for with this one either, but I thought that it would create a security risk, since the entire neighborhood would look abandoned overnight. She sold and moved out shortly after.

HOA Economic Use Limitations

Since this is a personal finance blog, I want to focus more closely on the effect that HOAs have in regard to your ability to earn a living. We’re not even going to get into the fact that HOA dues will be required even if you’re unemployed and don’t have the money to make the payment, but I digress.

Conformity is the rule in HOA neighborhoods. The preference in a typical HOA neighborhood is to have people work in white-collar positions, or if they’re self-employed, to work in “clean businesses”. That mostly restricts you to businesses that involve nothing more than your computer and telephone. The more that you depart from this ideal, the greater the potential to face a confrontation with the HOA – a confrontation you’re destined to lose.

If you work in one of those two preferred capacities, you probably are not the least bit concerned that the association might limit other activities. You might even be happy about it. But what would happen if you lost your job or your clean business were to fail? What if you need to pursue economic and financial options that didn’t fit neatly within those parameters? These days, you should never be too certain that can’t happen to you – it can happen to anyone.

And if it happens to you, you’ll find yourself economically constrained by the very restrictions you once enthusiastically supported.

This is just my opinion, and I’ll be the first to admit that I can’t substantiate this with hard evidence, but I believe that the preference in a typical HOA would be for you to move out of the neighborhood. After all, struggling homeowners aren’t good for property values. Part of how HOAs protect and advance property values is by keeping out the “riff-raff” (I was actually told that by the president of a condo HOA we were considering moving to). They’re always on the look-out for even a hint of it. If you start to resemble anything close to that riff-raff, you may come into their crosshairs.

Here are some of the economic/financial activities that a typical HOA will prevent you from engaging in:

  • Renting a room to a boarder to earn extra money to help pay your mortgage.
  • Growing food in your backyard (flowers fine, tomatoes – no good!).
  • Parking a commercial vehicle on or near your property.
  • Storing major tools or inventory in your house.
  • Meeting customers or clients at your house.
  • Constructing out-buildings or erecting equipment used in connection with a business.

A lot of people today are being forced to retool into lines of work they never imagined. Living in an HOA neighborhood won’t help you do that if you decide that you want to start a cleaning business, a home remodeling business, a sales operation, a landscaping business, or if you want to become a truck driver.

HOA neighborhoods are conducive to people in a very narrow career range. It’s important to understand the implications of this if you are facing a decision to buy a house in an HOA neighborhood. Should you hit on hard times, or decide to enter a career or business that is not consistent with the covenants and restrictions, the HOA can legally get in the way of your operation.

Your Recourse: Practically non-existent!

An attorney friend of mine here in Georgia told me that once you buy into an HOA neighborhood you have no choice but to go along with their rules. Not just the ones that exist when you move in, but any subsequent rules that are passed. In Georgia at least, and I suspect in many other states as well, HOAs have legal preference before the courts, not the least of which because you sign in on agreement with the covenants and restrictions at the time of closing (you have no choice, other than to not buy the house), signaling your willingness to comply. According to this attorney, legal challenges against HOAs typically don’t end well.

The unkindest cut is that they can impose a series of fines for non-compliance. These fines will increase in size the longer you fail to comply. They can then place a lien on your house, forcing you to pay out of the sale of the house. Presumably, they can block the sale if there isn’t enough equity to cover the fines, but my guess is that they’ll be happy to see you go and won’t let the unpaid fines stand in your way. But that won’t stop them from obtaining an unsecured judgment against you after the fact.

While you may think that you can somehow insulate yourself from hostile action by your HOA by being a good neighbor, don’t count on it. Most of the HOA issues I’m familiar with were brought against people who were otherwise good and compliant neighbors.

HOAs and The People Factor

HOAs represent a level of government, one close enough to the ground to be manipulated by its participants. Not all of those participants have good intentions.

I’ll be accused of painting with a broad brush, but HOA boards are often collection points for the worst kinds of people who could be in charge. While I readily acknowledge that there are a lot of people serving on HOA boards who have the purest of intentions, there are plenty of the other kind. I’ve known some people who joined boards but got run off by the games.

Some examples of the kinds of people who are drawn to become HOA board members:

  • People who have political aspirations, and see an HOA board membership as a springboard.
  • People who are looking for an extracurricular activity – particularly one of rank and responsibility – to add to their business resume.
  • People who thrive on popularity and being the center of attention.
  • People who have an ax to grind with a neighbor, and join the board so that they can do something about it.
  • People who want to set the rules but not obey them. (Our HOA had a restriction on unleashed pets, but the HOA treasurer let his dog run the neighborhood freely early every morning.)
  • Control freaks – people with an abiding need to be in charge.
  • People who like being part of “the clique”, which the HOA board often is.

Unfortunately, many or most of these personalities tend to be of like-mind, which makes disputing the board’s actions mostly a waste of time. A popular radio personality here in Atlanta once ranted about HOAs, saying they’re elitist at the core, and I have to agree. As I said earlier, the primary goal is to increase property values, which doesn’t leave much room for neighborly interaction. It can be surprising and shocking how “official” they can be when carrying out board agenda. It’s as if they aren’t even your neighbors, but more like precinct overseers.

Here’s another complication to ponder about HOAs, but this one has nothing to do with the board – HOAs are made to order for resident complaining neighbors. Every neighborhood has at least one – that person who believes that it’s their duty to make sure that everyone in the neighborhood “behaves”.

It could also be someone who has a specific bone to pick with you, and decides to turn you into the board whenever possible. That person usually makes a part-time career of studying and understanding the covenants and restrictions, so that he or she can pull them out against an unsatisfactory neighbor at any time. They won’t bring their concerns to you – they’ll go to the board, where they can complain anonymously. And like it or not, the board will usually side with whoever’s doing the complaining.

In a strange, twisted way, HOAs can feed neurotic behavior.

Swimming against the tide

Most people assume the best when it comes to HOAs – that is, until they have a conflict with the board. Only then do they realize the true extent of what they’ve signed themselves up for. By then, it’s usually too late. It’s then that you come to realize that HOA neighborhoods are not democracies.

I realize that most people have a favorable view of HOA neighborhoods, not the least of which because rising property values are considered the Holy Grail of homeownership in America. But if any of the issues I’ve listed above will be a concern to you, or if you’re at least a bit of a nonconformist, or if you have any career aspirations beyond the white-collar corporate cubicle, you might do well to avoid HOA neighborhoods if you possibly can.

And you usually can.

Have you had any negative experiences in an HOA neighborhood?

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28 Responses to Why You Should Avoid Buying in HOA Neighborhoods

  1. That’s a cool post. When I moved from the country to the city – I was shocked that people actually enjoy paying HOA fees.

    I’ve lived in HOA neighborhoods more often than not unfortunately. One house, the company the HOA hired to mow the lawns did a terrible job. Constantly tearing up our lawn.

    I won’t buy a house with a HOA. I don’t want anymore regulation to my life.

  2. Hi Will – Based on our previous experience, and that of people we know and trust, we’ll never be in one either.

    The coup de grace for me was the day I was at a real estate closing – I was handling the mortgage for someone who was buying in my HOA neighborhood – and the real estate agent (who also lived in the nbhd) was bragging to the buyer to “get in close with so-and-so, she knows everything about everybody in the neighborhood.” We moved out shortly after that episode. I had previously heard rumors about such information circulating, but this was the first time someone close to the pulse was openly admitting to it. There was a lot of cattiness, in addition to all the restrictions.

  3. I’ve never lived in an HOA neighborhood and I never will for the reasons you posted about above and then some. It’s my home and I’ll do what I please, if you have a problem, come and talk to me about it. I’m a fairly reasonable person and I’m not out to piss my neighbors off so we can likely come to some sort of resolution or compromise.

  4. Then you’re doing right by staying out of HOA neighborhoods Matt. There’s always something that ticks people off about one or more neighbors, but people prefer to avoid confrontation. If they happen to live in an HOA neighborhood, they can have it both ways – they can complain and they can avoid direct confrontation. I suppose that if a person were a certified complainer, they’d actually prefer to live in an HOA.

  5. I’ve lived in a HOA community for most of my life. My mother had to pay many fees growing up and most of the time didn’t seem worth it at all.

  6. Hi Alexis – I agree with that. In our HOA we had a pool and tennis court, but at least 75% of the residents never used them at all. My thinking was that amenities should be a separate fee – if you don’t intend to use them, you don’t pay for them. But from what I’ve seen the recreational amenities are the primary control the HOA has over the residents. It’s another example of how HOA neighborhoods are not democracies. You’ll pay for amenities even if you don’t use them.

  7. We lived in a gated HOA for a few years. Never again. We paid our assessments faithfully, but the HOA only did selective maintenance. They did a terrible job maintaining the retention ponds, several of which became dried up, foul smelling eyesores. The roads were covered with wide cracks and areas of buckling. What a waste of money.

    The Board was not serving the interests of the community, and treated owners like outlaws if they complained about rules or poor maintenance. Very few people attended meetings. When I did, I witnessed Board members engaging in shouting matches with and threats to owners. It almost came to blows, so the Board then started having a uniformed security officer at every meeting.

    The Board balked at providing access to financial records, either ignoring requests or providing incomplete documentation.

    It was easier to sell and move out that fight the HOA, because HOA corporations have more power than the government. See Evan McKenzie’s books (Privatopia and Beyind Privatopia) and Ward Lucas’ book (Neighbors at War)

  8. Hi Deborah – I’m with you on the board treating residents like outlaws. I attended a couple of meetings at our HOA neighborhood and I was put off by the cavalier attitude the board members had (which is why I didn’t attend more). To be honest, the word “Nazi” came to mind. They weren’t soliciting opinions and suggestions from the DUES PAYING residents, they were giving marching orders. And I also completely agree that they have more power than local governments. They seem to be run for the benefit of the board members, and their grandstanding efforts. I suspect that the people who join who want to make legitimate improvements are soon forced out when they realize what’s really going on. Honestly, it often felt as if we were back in high school! But that seems to be the mentality.

    For what it’s worth, I’ve seen a few HOAs disband after the neighborhoods fell into serious disrepair. Once the money is gone, so are the ego maniacs that run the board. Money is the power, and when there isn’t any more, they disappear.

  9. I am experiencing HOA for the first time. I inherited my house from my mother n law. We get letters at least once a month about something we need to “take care of”. Is there a way that I can tell which neighbors are on the HOA committee without going to their meetings? I have a funny feeling someone’s having a good time with us Newbies ratting out every little thing to the HOA board.

  10. Hi Suzanne – Check to see if there’s a website for the HOA, that should list the officers. It may be that either the house is in disrepair, or you’ve got one of the self-appointed neighborhood sheriffs trying to push you around. Every HOA neighborhood has it’s resident complainers, and when they zero in on you…it’s a problem.

  11. This is a very good article. I lived in a mandatory HOA neighborhood for 7 years, and I spent almost $20K to move out of the neighborhood as fast as possible, before selling my house. If you live in an HOA neighborhood, you are giving away many basic rights of home ownership that we all take for granted. You are investing a large part of your savings into a home that you do not completely own. If you disagree with an HOA Board, your rights are very limited, except to move. Fighting an HOA in court is a waste of money, and often an HOA Board has unlimited legal funds. Often HOA Board members are people that want to micromanage the neighborhood and have been on the board for many years. Living in an HOA neighborhood is like living in a different country with it’s own set of laws. While I lived in that neighborhood, I saw several families move out of the neighborhood because of the HOA. Finally, I moved out of the neighborhood, because of the HOA. I never want to live in another HOA neighborhood again.
    Jim West

  12. Hi Jim – Thanks for sharing your story, I think it will help clarify what goes on in HOA neighborhoods. A closing attorney I worked with in Georgia told me that HOAs have almost unlimited legal standing, at least in GA. State laws favor them in legal actions, which is why it’s almost impossible to succeed in litigation against them. I think the state probably views them as little municipalities, and grants them similar legal standing. Either that or the developers have a lot of pull in state government. I don’t know of a single challenge against an HOA that was successful, and in an area like Atlanta, with its literally thousands of HOA neighborhoods, you’d think there’d have to be a few. It’s a nice arrangement – for the HOAs. Maybe that’s why so many people want to get on the boards. If you can’t beat em, join em, right?

  13. I lived in an HOA neighborhood in Buford, Georgia. We had to put our garbage out and was out of town for one day. In ONE DAY they posted a notice on my door that they were going to fine us $150 a day if we didn’t move it from the curb. We were not home.

    Then, the unthinkable happened in 2000. The whole industry I worked in collapsed – telecommunications. Nortel Networks laid off 50,000 employees. I was one of them, but one of the last, making it impossible to find a job in my expertise which was the technical/engineering end of the business. Well, time for the HOA dues came around. I wrote a very friendly letter to the HOA explaining the situation and that we were going to have to sell the home as I could not find ANY employment, and I do mean ANY. I tried everywhere, even Burger King. I went from making $100k to zero in one day. This unemployment lasted for over a year. Well, long story short, the HOA began threatening to attach a lien to my home. So I wrote the HOA president an extremely nasty letter telling him to go ahead and I’ll file bankruptcy so how do you like them there apples? I was almost to the point that this so-called “human” had absolutely no capability for empathy and it was clear that these NAZIS were all about money, control, and power. Supposed to keep up the value/increase value of the homes, right? Well, the builder in Phase-II built tiny homes relative to the ones we all lived in. This in fact broke their own rules. This greatly reduced the value of our home and made it extremely difficult to sell. We did finally short sell it. I’ll never, ever live in an HOA community again. I had no idea what I was getting into. I’ve never seen such a group of over-“ambitious” control freak sociopath is my life. The president’s name was an entertaining name easy to make a joke out of. It was Jack ‘something’. I can’t recall right now, but I definitely made fun of his name when he showed that he was so sociopathic, narcissistic, and inhumane that I was inches from showing up at his doorstep fully prepared to go to jail after I beat him down right in front of his family and the neighbors. I never imagined getting such a rude and obnoxious reply from this horse’s arse than I got. I was in shock. I made it clear that I’d take care of the payment as soon as possible as well. I had no intention to try to get out of paying it. I simply COULD NOT pay it. Let me give anyone some advice who is considering moving into such a neighborhood: Follow what I’m telling you and what the author has told you. Stay away – stay very, very far away from HOA’s, particularly in the state of Georgia. The author is absolutely right in that it is a place for over-zealous type-a control freak personalities to get their rocks off by exercising draconian control over others. For the author to state that they often have political aspirations and want to use the HOA as some kind of “I have governance experience” is correct, and horrifying. You definitely would not want any of these people to have any power over you or your property. I kept to myself, I kept a clean home, and a clean and well-landscaped yard. I still to this day, in December 2014 have a desire to hunt this guy down and punch his lights out. Let me be clear I’m not a violent person, I’ve never been jailed or convicted of any crime, and I actually hold a secret clearance with the DoD. I’m as laid back as you’ll find and a very logical and reasonable person. If I were the president of the HOA, and it had been him, the a-hole president who approached me about his situation, I would say, don’t sweat it, I’ve got your back and will defend you to the HOA. You’ve been a great and responsible resident, and I understand your terrible situation, and I’m sorry to hear it. I would then ask what could I do to personally help his family within my ability. I hope he reads this. I hope he remembers. Let me tell you this – you WILL reap what you sow, and I bet before it was all said and done, his job was lost and his own home on the auction block. At the time, within 6 months half the homes had for sale signs in the yard. It wasn’t just me. I hope that when 911 happened (yeah, I was still living there when that drove a nail in my job chance coffin), that he lost his job, his home, and everything he owned, and all of his savings. As I said, I wouldn’t normally wish such things on anyone, but I hope that he got his own. I hope that he suffered immensely in one way or another. People who are unable to display empathy for others are social deviants and need to be in a mental institution. Bottom line here is just don’t do it unless you are a glutton for punishment.

    I now live in the countryside. Further, I went on to earn a M.Sc. degree in engineering, and I have a little left to complete a Ph.D. as well. I have a great job, and feel blessed to have it. I pulled myself up by the bootstraps. I toughed it out, went back to school working as a Research Assistant, and I got back on my feet without help from anyone. I never asked the government or anyone else for a dime.

    If you get caught up on the wrong side of the HOA, or even join one, then you have walked into a trap and a scam. So you’ve been rightfully warned! Do it at your own risk. If you are a jerk, well, it may be just right for you. If you do move into a mandatory HOA neighborhood, then be prepared for battle because it’s only a matter of time that they find some minor infraction that you’ve committed and must come down upon you like the Gestapo. If you voluntarily do this after having done research on it, well, you certainly deserve the grief that you will get, and you will get it.

  14. Hi Joe – Your story is an all too common one, especially in Georgia. Most people are completely unaware of these issues, and ignorance is bliss – until they get caught in the snare. Personally, I think most people think HOAs are great because (in theory) they produce higher housing appreciation. I’ve seen the opposite in declining markets. It’s harder to sell a house that’s just like dozens of other almost identical properties in the same subdivision.

    On a deeper level, I think it’s the herd instinct applied to housing. People blindly flock into HOA neighborhoods because people blindly flock into HOA neighborhoods. And of course, for their part the media doesn’t help by trumpeting the “many advantages” of HOA neighborhoods. This is something of a dark secret that only those who have been burned understand. And most people don’t worry about such things as long as it isn’t happening to them. But they need to understand that if it can happen to your neighbor, it can happen to you.

  15. HOA’s are not corporations, they are municipalities despite what idiot lawyers and judges (and home builders) try to force down peoples throats. Since when can a corporation have control over your own personal property. They try to say you have no constitutional rights because it’s a corporation, like a corporation can have you sign a document to make you a slave or control your personal life. The problem is people are putting up with this crap even while they complain about it – one reason is lawyers make money from it so why do the right thing and get rid of them. If I’m on a jury where someone mowed down everyone involved with an HOA because of some bush, color, or some other nonsense, I’ll be sure to say not guilty. The founders put the people in control.

    And one more thing, you really don’t have a choice anymore, all the big home builders and cities are forcing hoa’s so if you can find a non-hoa location, it’s probably in homes 50+ years old in busy parts of the town. Income Tax, HOA’s, Gun Control are the big 3 for me to repeal.

  16. Hi Dee – I agree with all that you wrote. I think the problem is that the majority of people think that HOAs are a good thing, that they’ll keep property values up, keep out the “riff raff” and in general, keep an eye on things. They have no idea about the darker side of HOAs until they have a run in with them. And by then, it’s too late, and they’re assigned to the fringe of neighborhood malcontents who probably need to move. I have no doubt that HOAs also target people, perhaps because they want them out. Unassailable power makes that possible. It’s a horrible system that everyone willingly goes along with.

  17. Hi Hector – Your description SOUNDS like an exaggeration, but might not be in a lot of cases. When you’re dealing with them, they can seem to be just that. With some there’s zero wiggle room – do it their way or else.

  18. I had an HOA give me guff about my ’72 Cadillac in the driveway, and my red shutters once, threatening me with legal measures. So I had a couple of associates pay a visit to the HOA president at their office one night, putting the fear of God into him. Telling him what would happen if the neighborhood association ever got out of line again, and failed to comply with my wishes. Suddenly, nobody had any issue with my car, my shutters, or even the bougainvillea planted in my yard. They just shut the hell up like a good little HOA, and all was peaceful.

  19. Hi Dino – If anyone did that to the HOA chieftains where we lived they would have been promptly arrested (I’m not kidding). Though I must admit, the thought of doing what you did would have been really tempting.

  20. Anyone that does not want to live in a HOA neighborhood, then go live where there in no control of what happens to houses around you. Cars on blocks, houses painted pink and green, grass not cut. Go ahead, and see how fast your property values drop. And the guy that made the statement about his threat to the president and the board. Try that with me, you would be sucking your food through a straw if you put your hands on me or be in jail. HOA are a good thing, because it keeps the red necks out that have no pride about their home.

  21. I’ve actually heard exactly what you said when I was living in Georgia, that the purpose of HOAs is to keep out rednecks. But having lived in neighborhoods that didn’t have HOAs, I think the argument is way overblown. Most neighborhoods do just fine without HOAs. I always trust people more than systems; I think that HOAs are a statement that people can’t be trusted. I don’t buy it.

  22. We want to leave our neighborhood because of our HOA Board. One HOA Board member got caught, via our security cameras, peeping at our teenage daughter sitting in the backyard. When she heard him, he started talking to her, said he was friends with me and knew me, that it was okay to let him in the house. (He is not a friend of mine, I do not know the guy). My daughter ran into the house and called 911. Unfortunately, we couldn’t press charges against the Peeping Tom HOA Board Member -I guess in our state if my daughter was naked or in a bathing suit it would be considered a crime. When I complained to our HOA Board and made public this issue to my fellow neighbors, my HOA Board circled the wagons around their guy. Posts I made on our neighborhood FB page were edited, the HOA sent out a completely different version of what actually occurred. So, I went onto the local news. Gained a lot of public support. My HOA Board still stands behind their guy, says he’s a decent man, and I’m a trouble maker. HOA Board is practicing “gas-lighting” on me…questioning my motives for making this issue public, trying to tell me that my neighbors are against me, that I need to drop the issue. I’ll do that when the perv is off the board and gone.

  23. Hi Jessi – I can’t comment on the event that triggered your concern, since I don’t know the particulars or the laws in your state. I’m not sure that it’s a crime in any state to stare at a person who is outside the home, which may be why the police didn’t do anything. I’d be more concerned that this guy wanted to come into the house. But be that as it may, HOA boards are often made up of the self-styled elite in each neighborhood, and they can be incredibly clannish. I’m not surprised that they’d circle the wagons around this guy. One of my theories is that HOA boards tend to be collection points for people who want to make rules for others, while not being subject to them themselves. Your only recourse is to move, unless this guy gets more aggressive and his actions rise to the level of what it clearly a crime. He probably knows just how far to go with it to stay within legal limits. Of course, for the sake of your daughter, you don’t want this to get any worse. Now if he does it to someone else in the neighborhood that could be a game changer. I don’t know if I’d feel comfortable sitting around waiting for that to happen though.

  24. Question: We are in a voluntary hoa but the hoa has covenants and restrictions that are legally filed and they are registered with the state. Also, our town recognizes them as our neighborhood hoa. One of my neighbors is concerned that if enough residents pay the hoa dues that this will hit some kind of percentage and turn the voluntary hoa into a mandatory hoa. IS this true?

  25. It depends on 1) the laws in your state, and 2) the specific language in your covenants. I’ve seen language that permits the dissolution of an HOA, but never one that creates a mandatory one. That said, the HOA we lived in was voluntary when we bought the house (as to the annual dues) but became mandatory right after. I don’t know if that happened because of provisions in the HOA docs, or if they had a special referendum. Either way we were stuck with something we didn’t anticipate when we closed on the house.

  26. What a nightmare. I lived in two hoa’s before this one with no real problems except a bit of bickering about the color of flowers. This one is small one a total of 9 homeowners at present, half on the board in some capacity. The president is a nazi, ex miami cop who retired at 55 into a half million dollar house with his buddy moving next door to him, another ex miami cop. This is North Carolina. The day after I close on my beautiful retirement home the nazi shows up at my door and starts grilling me with questions about my builder and says there is a meeting scheduled about my house. He also has a telescope on the house obviously as he says I saw the locksmith over at your house yesterday and assumed you closed on the house. The locksmith car was at the bottom of the hill, he couldn’t get up because of snow, I went down to get him. I had closed on the house or I surely would have backed out immediately. The next day he calls me on the phone and starts harassing me by talking about how i could be getting into law suits with an hoa. than he calls and says i did a drive by and your garbage cans are out on the wrong day of the week. he trespassed on the property took pictures and measured the deck before I closed. He fined the builder at the meeting I went to after closing on the house for the deck being not exactly the measurements he originally put before the board and a set of stairs that went down from the deck. He said they improved the value but fined my builder anyway. He has collected 650 x 22 lots that are owned for a culvert that is about to cave in to the point we will have to trespass on a neighbors property to get out of here. two weeks after i move in he sends an e mail he wants 350 dollars more from the 22 lot owners. No explanation, no bids shows, no work orders written, no statements that show where the other money went.
    no date for completion, no name of a company even. I said NO and i sent it to all the other neighbors, I said show me bank statements and receipts from where all the money went and the finalized bid, work order and date and IF more money is needed I will pay it. He has refused to show any financials, but he sure has shut up about asking for any more money and has refused to fix the culvert. He plays good cop bad cop real well. Even with me. Harassing me before the meeting and at the meeting acting like he was my best friend. He stirs it up and than watches everybody in this tiny community go after each other. His yard is the biggest mess you have ever seen and from what I have heard it has been that way for years. The entire front lawn has been destroyed to i guess put in a retaining wall and it is one big slope mud pit. I want out of here. He says he wants to add a bunch of covenants for building … I said you do that and nobody will build in this neighborhood. But he looked at everybody at that meeting with this loppy dog eared look and said now … I need all of your votes to get this through . I thought I was going to throw up. My retirement home. These hoa’s they need to be banned! they are illegal. this one says they can come on the property trespass … are you kidding me? American was founded on originality and it is why we have prospered. This elitist … everyone has to be exactly cloned. HOA’s if people have a choice of hoa or not today I think they will not choose an HOA. I know I surely won’t. I think realtor and zillow are in the process of putting that as a search stipulation because it is becoming a nightmare for more and more people. Renegade nazi board members.
    Until you experience it, you don’t understand the depth of loss of the freedom to own the land, the property, the home, that you paid your own money for.

  27. Hi Frank – Wow, I really feel bad for you (though I know that isn’t any help). You might want to take the hit now and sell and get out before this gets any worse. We live in an HOA neighborhood right now, but we rent on a month-to-month basis. I don’t like a lot of what the HOA does, but as a tenant I’m not locked into it, and we can leave at any time if need be. We stay because we like the neighborhood, the neighbors and the location, but we can do without a lot of these arbitrary rules. I get the need for rules, but when you get people on the board who get off on those rules, you have a big problem. And you can forget about voting the trouble makers off the board, HOAs are tailor made for that kind. They seem to attract control freaks, which in your case isn’t helped by the fact that your HOA president is an ex-cop. He probably doesn’t know when it’s time to stop being a cop, and an HOA is the perfect place for him to continue pretending to still be one. I know it will cost you money to get out of there, but you really have to have heart-to-heart with yourself about whether or not you want to spend your retirement dealing with that situation, to say nothing of what it will cost you in fines and to comply with the new rules that will inevitably be enacted as time goes on. Somethings can’t be measured solely in money, and this may be one of them.

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