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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/over-50-and-no-pension-or-retirement-plan-what-now/#comment-178925</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah--Good point about maintaining health, and equally good idea with the Roth, not only does it give you an opportunity to accumulate money for retirement, but you&#039;ll be able to withdraw the money without tax consequences.  That&#039;ll be extra cash flow.  I think it&#039;s important to have some sort of retirement stash even if it won&#039;t be enough to fund a golden retirement.  It will be an enormous advantage to have a large financial reserve, especially if you&#039;re still job dependent.  The relief from stress alone will be significant, in addition to having extra resources.  

If you have Social Security, Medicare, a supplemental health plan, a full- or part-time income and a decent amount of reserves, you should be OK even without a pension or large retirement account.  Living within your means is also the critical other half of retirement that rarely gets discussed.  Most retirees that I&#039;ve known over the years haven&#039;t had fat pensions or retirement plans, but lived well because they learned how to live on the cheap. That&#039;s a very real investment as well because it&#039;s acquired by habit and that takes time to build, just like a retirement plan does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah&#8211;Good point about maintaining health, and equally good idea with the Roth, not only does it give you an opportunity to accumulate money for retirement, but you&#8217;ll be able to withdraw the money without tax consequences.  That&#8217;ll be extra cash flow.  I think it&#8217;s important to have some sort of retirement stash even if it won&#8217;t be enough to fund a golden retirement.  It will be an enormous advantage to have a large financial reserve, especially if you&#8217;re still job dependent.  The relief from stress alone will be significant, in addition to having extra resources.  </p>
<p>If you have Social Security, Medicare, a supplemental health plan, a full- or part-time income and a decent amount of reserves, you should be OK even without a pension or large retirement account.  Living within your means is also the critical other half of retirement that rarely gets discussed.  Most retirees that I&#8217;ve known over the years haven&#8217;t had fat pensions or retirement plans, but lived well because they learned how to live on the cheap. That&#8217;s a very real investment as well because it&#8217;s acquired by habit and that takes time to build, just like a retirement plan does.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t get a 401k or any program from work so set up my own Roth IRA and maxed it out. As you get older a healthy body is at least as important as a healthy portfolio, and especially if you don’t have a healthy portfolio you are going to need a healthy body to continue to be productive in your golden years. Delaying retirement and having a post retirement career work much better if you still have good mobility and energy. I hear many do not choose to retire, people often “retire” when a health issue forces them to, ready or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t get a 401k or any program from work so set up my own Roth IRA and maxed it out. As you get older a healthy body is at least as important as a healthy portfolio, and especially if you don’t have a healthy portfolio you are going to need a healthy body to continue to be productive in your golden years. Delaying retirement and having a post retirement career work much better if you still have good mobility and energy. I hear many do not choose to retire, people often “retire” when a health issue forces them to, ready or not.<br />
<span class="cluv">Sarah&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="a0f6af566d 178871 p" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.401krollover101.org/">401k rollover</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/over-50-and-no-pension-or-retirement-plan-what-now/#comment-25199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Michelle, we entered my husband&#039;s fifties with a small retirement fund. He just retired at 60.  In that ten years we put away a good chunk It is possible.
If inflation goes wild? We will all be in the same boat- won&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Michelle, we entered my husband&#8217;s fifties with a small retirement fund. He just retired at 60.  In that ten years we put away a good chunk It is possible.<br />
If inflation goes wild? We will all be in the same boat- won&#8217;t we?<br />
<span class="cluv">Jan&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="dccc8f2dc3 25199" rel="nofollow" href="http://bowen4flag.blogspot.com/2010/10/from-my-sister.html">From my sister</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Personal Finance &#8211; April 2, 2010 &#124; Redeeming Riches</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Personal Finance &#8211; April 2, 2010 &#124; Redeeming Riches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aury (Thunderdrake)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aury (Thunderdrake)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 06:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tempo dulu

You hit it pretty well there mentioning that it&#039;s easier said than done. Investing, or in this case; developing multiple streams of income, this is the part that calls upon your financial intelligence. Your creative side. If you were to ask me what my streams are going to be, I&#039;d respond with stocks, commodities, webpage ownership, and other forms of intellectual property.

@Kevin M

This is something that left me thinking quite a bit. I must say, you have left upon the blogosphere, a very rock solid point. Most of us do write about investing in ways that are tailored for youth. We&#039;ve completely neglected the elder demographics who may be completely devoid of any assets at all (It&#039;s been said that a huge chunk of baby boomers are entering retirement in debt. Mon dieu!) Their time is a lot more valuable than ours, given their lack of time that&#039;s remaining!

And it&#039;s tough. There&#039;s little to long term like we could in investing... And it would call upon them a larger demand of financial intelligence. And in the case of the indebted retirees, we&#039;re already ahead of them in that regard.

Shucks.. That&#039;s a terrifying thought...
.-= Aury (Thunderdrake)&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/thunderdrake/Aury/~3/fM18drMjSso/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hoarding Dragon Basics – Investing in Precious Metals&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
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<p>You hit it pretty well there mentioning that it&#8217;s easier said than done. Investing, or in this case; developing multiple streams of income, this is the part that calls upon your financial intelligence. Your creative side. If you were to ask me what my streams are going to be, I&#8217;d respond with stocks, commodities, webpage ownership, and other forms of intellectual property.</p>
<p>@Kevin M</p>
<p>This is something that left me thinking quite a bit. I must say, you have left upon the blogosphere, a very rock solid point. Most of us do write about investing in ways that are tailored for youth. We&#8217;ve completely neglected the elder demographics who may be completely devoid of any assets at all (It&#8217;s been said that a huge chunk of baby boomers are entering retirement in debt. Mon dieu!) Their time is a lot more valuable than ours, given their lack of time that&#8217;s remaining!</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s tough. There&#8217;s little to long term like we could in investing&#8230; And it would call upon them a larger demand of financial intelligence. And in the case of the indebted retirees, we&#8217;re already ahead of them in that regard.</p>
<p>Shucks.. That&#8217;s a terrifying thought&#8230;<br />
.-= Aury (Thunderdrake)&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/thunderdrake/Aury/~3/fM18drMjSso/" rel="nofollow">Hoarding Dragon Basics – Investing in Precious Metals</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Opening Day is Here!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opening Day is Here!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://outofyourrut.com/over-50-and-no-pension-or-retirement-plan-what-now/#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be a part time job, a business or some form of passive income source, or a combination. It will depend on your individual motivation and talents.  This is why they should be developed well before age 65.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be a part time job, a business or some form of passive income source, or a combination. It will depend on your individual motivation and talents.  This is why they should be developed well before age 65.</p>
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		<title>By: tempo dulu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tempo dulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good advice but how the heck do you develop multiple income streams? That is far easier said than done.
.-= tempo dulu&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://al-terity.blogspot.com/2010/04/sandi-wedhus-foul-mouthed-four-year-old.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sandi Wedhus: the foul-mouthed four-year old smoker!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice but how the heck do you develop multiple income streams? That is far easier said than done.<br />
.-= tempo dulu&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://al-terity.blogspot.com/2010/04/sandi-wedhus-foul-mouthed-four-year-old.html" rel="nofollow">Sandi Wedhus: the foul-mouthed four-year old smoker!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikke--what&#039;s your Plan B if you have a financial catastrophe prior to turning 65?  That&#039;s what this post is all about. I&#039;m not advocating working INSTEAD of saving, but there have to be options for those who don&#039;t have the fat bankrolls for full retirement.  In other words, the post is addressed to the majority of people.

If you have a $1 million saved by 65, what happens if there&#039;s a run of double digit inflation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikke&#8211;what&#8217;s your Plan B if you have a financial catastrophe prior to turning 65?  That&#8217;s what this post is all about. I&#8217;m not advocating working INSTEAD of saving, but there have to be options for those who don&#8217;t have the fat bankrolls for full retirement.  In other words, the post is addressed to the majority of people.</p>
<p>If you have a $1 million saved by 65, what happens if there&#8217;s a run of double digit inflation?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but &quot;work&quot; is not my idea of &quot;life.&quot;

I want to STOP working, not hear that I have to work till I&#039;m so old and feeble that all I have left is sitting around waiting for various &quot;health&quot; &quot;care&quot; &quot;providers&quot; to do a total cashectomy on all I struggled to put together in my aging years. That&#039;s not retirement, that&#039;s serfdom. 

Our society is simply refusing to deal with longevity in intelligent, compassionate ways. Elders should be encouraged not to work, but to be elders, and there should be a significant safety net for that. 

Work means selling your time for cash, living or planning to live hand to mouth in a cash-based society which has monetarized everything from the water we drink to our very homes. All so that a small cadre of overseers can make a huge profit on us all. 

This is an appalling outrage, and although I am in my 50s, with good savings, I consider telling people, &quot;Well, you&#039;ll just have to work till you&#039;re 80! Get used to it!&quot; the opposite of &quot;out of a rut.&quot; This is the same old feudal rut, imposed on longer lives, and leaving no hope of escape. 

I don&#039;t WANT work in my old age. I don&#039;t WANT to be passionate. I want to be quiet, wise, and centered. Not scurrying around with the latest iCrap and a bunch of Boomer baloney that says You Are What You Earn, and that if your days consist of just being here now, you aren&#039;t as valuable as those irritating types constantly running in the hamster wheel of consumption, image, and addiction to way too much excitement, energy, and activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but &#8220;work&#8221; is not my idea of &#8220;life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I want to STOP working, not hear that I have to work till I&#8217;m so old and feeble that all I have left is sitting around waiting for various &#8220;health&#8221; &#8220;care&#8221; &#8220;providers&#8221; to do a total cashectomy on all I struggled to put together in my aging years. That&#8217;s not retirement, that&#8217;s serfdom. </p>
<p>Our society is simply refusing to deal with longevity in intelligent, compassionate ways. Elders should be encouraged not to work, but to be elders, and there should be a significant safety net for that. </p>
<p>Work means selling your time for cash, living or planning to live hand to mouth in a cash-based society which has monetarized everything from the water we drink to our very homes. All so that a small cadre of overseers can make a huge profit on us all. </p>
<p>This is an appalling outrage, and although I am in my 50s, with good savings, I consider telling people, &#8220;Well, you&#8217;ll just have to work till you&#8217;re 80! Get used to it!&#8221; the opposite of &#8220;out of a rut.&#8221; This is the same old feudal rut, imposed on longer lives, and leaving no hope of escape. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t WANT work in my old age. I don&#8217;t WANT to be passionate. I want to be quiet, wise, and centered. Not scurrying around with the latest iCrap and a bunch of Boomer baloney that says You Are What You Earn, and that if your days consist of just being here now, you aren&#8217;t as valuable as those irritating types constantly running in the hamster wheel of consumption, image, and addiction to way too much excitement, energy, and activity.</p>
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